https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5znVUFHqO4Q&ab_channel=BiolaUniversity
@TouchofGrey
Here you go. (see above)
Can you please provide evidence for the miracles that atheists believe in? 
Sea Breeze
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How Did Watchtower Sell the "Jonadab" Concept ?
by Sea Breeze insimply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die.
that's how they sold it.
the watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "millions now living will never die!
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How Can The Governing Body Be Considered The "Channel Of Communication" From Jehovah Without Being Inspired . . . How Is That Possible???
by AbaddonProvesIt invideo # 1,246: how can the governing body be considered the "channel of communication" from jehovah without being inspired .
the collapse of governing body member jeffrey winder's arguments: a critical look at a jehovah's witness excuse [by watchtower examination, winston gillum - montego bay, jamaica].
the governing body of jehovah's witnesses believe & teach millions upon millions of jehovah's witnesses world wide that they as a body, are not inspired or infallible.
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Sea Breeze
It's very simple. False prophets want all of the accolades that go along with a prophet of the Lord without showing any proof whatsoever that anything they say came to pass. Prophetic failures are described as "refinements" by them. Ha. Mental midgets are pacified.
God says this is a crime worthy of a (early) death penalty. Some people are just not well equipped to deal with professional liars. -
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How Did Watchtower Sell the "Jonadab" Concept ?
by Sea Breeze insimply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die.
that's how they sold it.
the watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "millions now living will never die!
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Sea Breeze
I am curious how anyone that was once a JW could fall wholeheartedly for another belief system that is every bit as questionable as the first one.
JoeyJoJo,
A man walked out of a tomb, and predicted before he died that he would raise himself from the dead. Then he did it. Nothing has been the same since. He said that if you trust him, you will walk out of your own tomb. It's that simple. Very easy to understand even if you don't believe it.
If you can present anything that can compare to that, let's hear it. Whatcha got? -
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How Did Watchtower Sell the "Jonadab" Concept ?
by Sea Breeze insimply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die.
that's how they sold it.
the watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "millions now living will never die!
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Sea Breeze
Seabreeze, you do not accept the beliefs of Jehovah's Witnesses, though they have been proven as true;
Rattigan,
What possible reason could you provide as "proof" that rejecting the new covenant "for the forgiveness of sins" is a logical coherent thing to choose?
There are no new testament scriptures that show how a person could get their sins forgiven otherwise.
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How Did Watchtower Sell the "Jonadab" Concept ?
by Sea Breeze insimply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die.
that's how they sold it.
the watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "millions now living will never die!
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Sea Breeze
Imagine 8 million JWs do not require Christ's blood for the forgiveness of sin, nor Christ's righteousness imputed to them.
I know, it is sick. But it is much worse than than you describe. 20 million people formally reject the new covenant "for the forgiveness of sins" (Mt. 26: 27-28) each year at the twisted JW version of the "Lord's Supper".
Add to that all the JW kids that are abandoned to the streets (like I was at 14) , the disfellowshipped, the millions of infected bible students who studied long enough to reject the need for a Savior, and you have a global Satanic impact of perhaps of 100 million people alive today who are inoculated against receiving the new covenant.
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Time of the end - a TRINITY puzzler.
by BoogerMan in(matthew 24:36) “concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the son, but only the father.".
(jesus seems to have forgotten to include the holy spirit not knowing either).
(acts 1:7) "he said to them: “it does not belong to you to know the times or seasons that the father has placed in his own jurisdiction.".
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Sea Breeze
Are you implying that the "parts" of God are merely "referred" to as persons?
@MMMustard
No. God is a singular essence - Spirit. Jesus is a man with three parts.
Man has a tri-partite essence - soul-body-spirit. Each of those parts is a person. This is the way the bible consistently speaks of each of them - with personhood. Jesus is a man with three parts. This is what qualifies him as a man.... just like you or me. However, since he inherited the very essence of God (Spirit) as the only-begotten, then is is fully both.Like I pointed out in my previous post: When the spirit of Samuel was summoned by Saul, Samuel identifies his spirit as "me", even though his body was long gone. “Samuel said to Saul, ‘Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?’” (1 Samuel 28:15).
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How Did Watchtower Sell the "Jonadab" Concept ?
by Sea Breeze insimply put; gullible people were told if they chose life on earth instead of heaven, they wouldn't have to die.
that's how they sold it.
the watchtower lied to people in the 1920 booklet and convention series titled "millions now living will never die!
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Sea Breeze
Not many jws or ex-jws know this point. The WTS once said only the anointed are Jehovah's witnesses, saying that Isaiah 43:10-12 was said to the Jews as being "witnesses of Jehovah" so the witnesses of Jehovah in this time have to be "spiritual Israelites" = anointed.
@Blondi
I agree.Watchtower has consistently characterized their (non-partaking) members as unsaved people, and who despite this, can still supposedly avoid dying by being obedient to Watchtower, or so they say.
They train their members to reject the new covenant that scripture specifically says is "for the forgiveness of sins" in Mt. 26: 27-28. JW's are willing to go along with this rebellion in exchange for the prospect of unending life.... which is the real product Watchtower has been selling ever since the 1920 tract (and subsequent convention series) titled "Millions Now Living Will Never Die".
Here are a few more references down through the years reminding the JW hopeful that they do not have their sins forgiven as a result of the blood of the covenant.... which is the only biblical way to pay your sin debt.
“These have not received the free gift of righteousness” WT 6/15/2011 p.15
“We read about faithful Christians: “They are being declared righteous by his undeserved kindness through the release by the ransom paid by Christ Jesus.”—Romans 3:24. In the context, these words apply directly to anointed Christians... " W90 10/15 p.28
"The "great crowd" of survivors of the "war of the great day of God the Almighty" will then be on their way to gaining absolute righteousness and perfection in the flesh....For this reason they will not be justified ….either now or then as the 144,000 heavenly joint heirs..." "Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God, 1966, p. 391
“In view of what we have seen about justification or being declared righteous by faith as being only a means to an end, so that certain ones might be eligible to membership in Christ’s body and share heavenly glory with him, it follows that all whose destiny is the earth, the foregoing ones mentioned, would have no need of having righteousness imputed to them.
After such ones achieve actual perfection at the end of the Millennium and then pass a final test, they will be in a position to be declared righteous for everlasting human life. ”WT Dec 15, 1985 p.30
No where does to bible say this. It is a lie.
“They will be declared righteous, not in the spirit, but in the flesh. They will then have, not an imputed righteousness but actual human perfection.’ W69 3/15 p. 183
"Jehovah God will justify, declare righteous, on the basis of their own merit, all perfected humans who have withstood that final decisive test of mankind." Life Everlasting in Freedom of the Sons of God, 1966, p.400
That last quote is the bottom line for JW's. The message is clear: You don't need Jesus. -
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Time of the end - a TRINITY puzzler.
by BoogerMan in(matthew 24:36) “concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the son, but only the father.".
(jesus seems to have forgotten to include the holy spirit not knowing either).
(acts 1:7) "he said to them: “it does not belong to you to know the times or seasons that the father has placed in his own jurisdiction.".
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Sea Breeze
@SlimBoyFat
Interesting misquotation there. Whether it’s deliberate or unintentional, it’s telling. Matt 28:18 doesn’t say Jesus “has” all power in heaven and earth. It says he has “been given” all power in heaven and earth.
Wrong. There is no misquotation. If I gave you ALL the Gold and Silver in the world, you have it ALL. ALL means ALL. Look it up in the dictionary if you want. It is completely irrelevant that I gave it to you. Your argument is illogical. It violates the law of non-contradiction.
As I repeatedly point out to you and you pretend not to grasp - the problem is not with the bible. The problem is you trying to superimpose a materialistic description of man on the scriptures that utterly rejects it. This is obviously due to your previous WT training which in many ways you still hold in high regard. It was all poison, not just some of it.Soul, body and spirit of men are all spoken of with pronouns in the bible denoting personhood. We even have sayings that prove that deep down we all know the biblical definition is true. For instance, someone may say "the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak". We all experience this from time to time, especially as the body ages. Both the body and the spirit is self.
When the spirit of Samuel was summoned by Saul, Samuel identifies his spirit as "me", even though his body was long gone. “Samuel said to Saul, ‘Why have you disturbed me by bringing me up?’” (1 Samuel 28:15).
You are not fooling anyone with your feigned ignorance. You are a smart guy. But this has nothing to do with intelligence.
The two scriptures listed in the chart below is what you reject, alongside the triune nature of God. Jesus, as a man REQUIRES all three components to meet the definition requirements of a "man". God is a spirit. This make Jesus fully man, and fully God at the same time.As long as you hold on to a modern, materialistic definition of the nature of man being a body only, with no immaterial self, you will never understand the nature of God. I believe you are simply ashamed of a suffering, dying God who made you. I am not ashamed of him. That is the difference between you and I .
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WAR begins.
by lastmanstanding inthings are moving right along.
“israel” has gone to war with iran.. who is fooled?.
this is uncle sam, same as in ukraine.. daniel layed out clearly the events of “d day” june 6, 1944 as the “ships of kittim” would sail against the king of the north.
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Sea Breeze
Sorry LMS, you were fooled again by fake news.
CNN and MSNBC are criminal organizations that will do anything to make Trump look bad.
It didnt work.
This Fake report during a wartime operation is treasonous. It is punishable by death in the USA. They will find this fake leaker and hold him accountable.
The deep state is diminished but not eradicated.
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Time of the end - a TRINITY puzzler.
by BoogerMan in(matthew 24:36) “concerning that day and hour nobody knows, neither the angels of the heavens nor the son, but only the father.".
(jesus seems to have forgotten to include the holy spirit not knowing either).
(acts 1:7) "he said to them: “it does not belong to you to know the times or seasons that the father has placed in his own jurisdiction.".
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Sea Breeze
Absolutely, not only does Jesus nowhere claim a dual nature, nor any of the Bible writers ever mention it, but he talks and acts as if he's either totally unaware of it or else deceiving his followers about it.
Wrong again. One verse says says Jesus has ALL power in heaven and earth, and another verse says that the father is greater than he is. So which is it? It's both.Arian heretics make God out to be a liar because they refuse to believe what God says about the nature of man. It is the unitarian rejection of the word of God about the nature of MAN that prevents them from accepting the triune nature of God.
Simply put, unitarians refuse to believe God. Then they use this unbelief as a strawman argument against the nature of God. We have all gone over this time and again.